Quote from: flytoox on June 15, 2003, 02:26:11 AM
when you hold 4-4 in minor, which suit do you open? 2/1 or sayc. i prefer 1c,
coz i think which could save space for pd, in case he has weak hand with c
suit. but pd said i should open 1d. any comments or thoughts? or purely depend
on partnership style?
Someone asked me my opinion about this. I have not readthe entire thread so
sorry in advance
if I say some things
that others have already said.
The question is more complex than that which the originalposted asked. Really
you have to consider what you would
open with the following hand types that
include 4-4 in the minors:
A) 12-14 balanced
B) 18-19 balanced
In addition, if you use weak notrumps, you have to consider
what to open with
15-17 balanced and 4-4 in the minors.
Also, with the 4144 and 1444 hands, having a very strong
hand can make a
difference. Playing 4-card-majors might also
make a difference to the 1444
and 4144 hands, but I don't
have enough experience playing 4-card majors
to offer any
intelligent feedback in this area. Finally, whether or not your
partner is a passed hand should sometimes impact your
decision as to which suit
With A) there are some clear advantages to opening 1D:
1) The 1C opening is already "overloaded" in "standard" systems. There are
many situations in the bidding and when
defending when partner has to guess
your shape. Giving him
more shapes to think about when you open 1C will make
his task more difficult.
2) Ease of rebid in auctions like:
1x 2S DBL (neg) Pass
If you have, say, 2344 with no spade stopper, you will
be much better off to
open 1D than 1C.
In case B) with 18-19 balanced, neither 1) nor 2) above
are likely to be an
issue. 1) is less likely as you will end
up on much defense less often.
2) is less likely because
you are more likely to have a spade stopper and you
always cuebid if you do not have a spade stopper.
The main advantage of opening 1C on strong hands with 4-4 in the minors is
that partner will not pass 1C
with a hand like:
but he would pass 1D if his minors were reversed.
The same argument applies to very strong hands with 4144 distribution.
I don't think I have ever opened 1C with 1444, but
it is (barely) possible for
me to imagine holding a hand
with which I might do so.
In my experience, there is a lot to be said for opening
your WEAKER minor with
18-19 balanced and 4-4 in
the minors when your partner is a passed hand. Doing
so is unlikely to hurt your partner, but it may make it
more difficult for the
opps to find the best opening lead.
I do not advocate this practice when your partner has
not passed yet. When slam
is still a live possibility, you
don't want to be "tricking" your partner.
In practice all this adds up to opening 1D with well
over 90% of hands that
contain 4-4 in the minors.
These are only the reasons that I use to justify the style
that I prefer to
play. I have fairly strong convictions that
I am "correct" about this, but
there are plenty of good
players who would strongly disagree.
Really I do not want to get into a debate about this
(been there done that).
I am just offering my thoughts on the subject.
Finally, I should say that I am very much against the use
of "never" and
"always" in discussions such as this one.
Regardless of whether your
are to open 1C or 1D, you should always be free to
your judgment and open the other suit if it seems like
the right thing to
do on a given hand.
Bridge Base Inc.